Answers In-Depth to Questions about Christianity
The Dogma of the Holy Trinity
IS Defensible

QUESTION:  My sister is sixty-one years old and is being confused by Jehovah's Witnesses.  They
have her saying things like, "The Trinity does not seem quite right.  It does not seem to fit the Bible,
and it appears almost like widely-believed nonsense."  On the one hand, she seems too scared to
give up her belief in the Holy Trinity, since she grew up in a time when the Church emphasized this
belief as necessary for salvation.  On the other hand, she wants to be honest with the Bible and her
ability to think carefully.  
Would you carefully clarify exactly why the arguments Jehovah's
Witnesses use against the Most Holy Trinity fail to disprove this dogma of our Faith?
                                                                    
Answered by Rev. Paul L. Rothermel
Introductory Note from Father Rothermel:  Unless the Bible clearly excludes all
interpretations of God other than that of Jehovah’s Witnesses, they have no way
of knowing that their view of God is correct, since they do not claim to know any  
truth about religion apart from the Bible alone.  Even if the Bible does not clearly
exclude all interpretations of God other than that of Roman Catholics, they claim
other ways to know that their view of God is correct.  

The rug can be pulled out from under Jehovah’s Witnesses by showing that every
Bible passage that they propose to exclude the Catholic view really allows for it.  

J.W. ARGUMENT # 1:  God does not have a God.  Yet Jehovah is the God
of Jesus (Matthew 27:46).  Even after the resurrection, this remains true
(Revelation 3:2,12).  “The Father is greater than I” (John 14:28).  

A CATHOLIC RESPONSE:  Jehovah’s Witnesses assume that Jesus changed
natures and had only one nature at a time.  We Roman Catholics assume that
Jesus had two natures at once.  For us, He is one Divine Person with two natures,
one human and one Divine.  The divinity of Jesus does not have a God, but the
humanity of Jesus does, and, once Jesus became incarnate, He remains forever so
(Hebrews 13:8), even after the resurrection.  Jesus is now the Son of God and the
Son of Man.  Matthew 27:46 looks at Jesus as dying, and so as a man.  John 20:
17 looks at Jesus as rising from the dead, and so as a man.  Revelation 3:2 and 12
look as Jesus as “son of man,” and so as a man.  At one point during His earthly
ministry, Jesus declared that the Father is greater.  This  is because the Sender is
always greater than the Messenger (John 13:16).  Jesus’ earthly mission ends with
His ascension into heaven, and so He is no longer sent, and no longer inferior in
the sense that John intended.  Of course, His abiding humanity is always inferior
to His divinity.   

J.W. ARGUMENT # 2:  God does not have a beginning.  Yet Jesus had a
beginning; He was created as an angel.  He is the beginning of Jehovah’s
work (Proverbs 8:22-24), and is called “the firstborn of all creation”
(Colossians 1:16), and “the beginning of the creation of God” (Revelation 3:
14).

A CATHOLIC RESPONSE:  The humanity of Jesus had a beginning, but the
Divine Person did not.  The topic of Proverbs, chapter eight, is not Jesus, but Old
Testament wisdom (Proverbs 8:12), which is personified as a female able to bear
sons (Proverbs 8:1-3,32,  cf. Proverbs 7:4), not only in the Old Testament but
also  in the New (Luke 7:35).  God’s eternal wisdom created all the wisdom in
creation.  As the “Word,” Jesus is the eternal wisdom of God, not His created
wisdom.  Jesus’ eternal wisdom as God played a part in creating His human
wisdom.   As “the firstborn of all creation,” Jesus will one day inherit the whole
universe.  As God, Jesus is the firstborn of the Father from all eternity, but as the
man who rose first in the new creation, He is “the firstborn of all creation.”  
Colossians 1:16 states that Jesus is responsible for creating everything that was
created, not every “OTHER thing”(NWT) that was created except Himself.  In
Hebrews 1:6, the “Firstborn” is superior to “all the angels,” and so the “Firstborn”
is not an angelic creature.  God is the ruler of God’s creation, and the Greek of
Revelation 3:14 may be stating this about Jesus, since “arche” can mean “ruler” as
well as “beginning.”  This verse proves nothing for the Witnesses.  


J.W. ARGUMENT # 3:  God is self-sufficient, but, like other creatures, Jesus
depends on the Father (John 6:57).

A CATHOLIC RESPONSE:  This verse is about Jesus as man, not as God.  John
6:57 is looking at Jesus as “flesh and blood,” and so as a man, and so it is no
wonder that Jesus claims to “live” because of the Father.  As God, Jesus also
depends on the Father, but this is not the focus of this verse.  The Father, the
Son, and the Holy Spirit as one God are self-sufficient, but the Son and the Spirit
as two distinct Divine Persons depend upon the Father for their shared, self-
sufficient Being.

J.W. ARGUMENT # 4:  God knows everything, but Jesus did not know the
day of tribulation (Mark 13:32).  If the Son and the Spirit knew this, why is
the Father alone said to know it (Matthew 24:36)?

A CATHOLIC RESPONSE:  Because Jesus Christ, the Son, has two natures, He
has two minds, one human and one Divine.  Some of what He knew as God He
did not know as man.  This information about the end times is only one example.  
Jesus is saying that no human or angelic mind can figure out the date fixed.  God
can reveal such matters to humans and angels, however.  False prophets (Mark 13:
21-22) claim to possess such knowledge, but because they lack God’s approval,
this knowledge does not come to them from God.  The Spirit knows “concerning”
end-time matters, as First Corinthians 2:10-11 and Revelation 3:10,13, show us.  
The Son and the Holy Spirit have revealed partial information about the end times
to the apostles (First Thessalonians 4:15 – 5:1-3), and through them to the
Catholic Church, but “that day and hour” have never been revealed by God to any
human or angelic mind, within the Catholic Church or outside of it.  Has God
revealed the year of the Parousia?  Witnesses have thought so, but their
predictions concerning 1914, 1915, 1918, 1925, and 1975 have proved
disappointing to many of their most ardent readers and hearers.

J.W. ARGUMENT # 5:  God is invisible; no one has ever seen God (John 1:
18).  When Thomas saw Jesus, did he see Jehovah (John 20:28)?  In the
immediate context, John identifies Jesus Christ as “the Son of God,” not as
God (John 20:31).  God cannot be His own Son, and early Jewish Christians
believed that only one Person is God, the Father.  Had Thomas believed that
Jesus is Jehovah, he would have tried to convince other Christians, and
would have been expelled from the Christian congregation for trying to do
so (First Corinthians 5:13).  He did not try this, obviously because he did not
believe this, and he did not declare what he did not believe.

A CATHOLIC RESPONSE:  Orthodox Catholics do not believe that God is His
own Son.  Early Christians believed that the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit share a
deep, mysterious unity.  Despite certain biblical statements about Moses (Exodus
33:11) and the angels (Matthew 18:10), God as God is invisible, but God as man
is veiled in visible flesh.  According to John 1:1,14, just as God’s presence was
hidden in the visible Tabernacle of the Old Testament, so God “tented” among us
in Jesus Christ.  When Thomas saw the Risen Christ, He saw God as much as
Moses did and the angels do.  Today the Church claiming to have been founded
by Thomas in India believes that Jesus is God.  Calling Jesus “God” in emotional,
poetic, or intuitive moments (John 1:1,18, Romans 9:5, and Philippians 2:6) did
occur in the Apostolic age, and some of its worship practices implied this belief
long before the Apostles explicitly taught it, BUT they did teach it, not only in the
gospel of John and the book of Hebrews, but also in Colossians 1:19.  Thomas
was not the only Apostle with this Divinely-given insight, and so would not have
been expelled by the others for teaching it.  Near the end of the Apostolic age,
John was twice unintentionally misled by an angel’s words into thinking the angel
was really Jesus, and so he worshipped him (Revelation 19:9-10, and 22:7-9).  
Two cases of mistaken identity are much easier to explain than an Apostle being
so obtuse as to worship an angel TWICE, once after being rebuked by an angel
for this very act!    

J.W. ARGUMENT # 6:  The way the Apostles related to Jesus in the first
century is different from the way they would have related to Him if they
knew He is Jehovah.  They were not astonished to be with Him.  They
proclaimed that Jesus is the Christ, the fulfillment of Jewish expectations,
not that He is God (Acts 17:2-3), contrary to Jewish monotheism.  The
Jewish leaders accused Jesus of blasphemy for claiming to be the Christ, not
for claiming to be God (Matthew 26:65, 22:15).  Why did these Jews attack
Him for breaking the Law instead of for claiming to be God?  Surely they
would have used the strongest charge to bring Him down to death, and so it
is rather obvious that He never claimed to be Jehovah.

A CATHOLIC RESPONSE:  At times the twelve Apostles were astonished at
Jesus, especially at times of momentary insight into His Divine nature (Matthew 7:
28-29, 14:33, 15:30-31, 16:16, 17:5-9, Mark 4:41, John 18:6, First John 1:1-2, 5:
20).  Because God as man is veiled, these insights were often fleeting and not
sustained.  George’s argument proves too much.  Most people walking with a man
who had once been the highest angel of God, the Witnesses’ view of Jesus on
earth before His resurrection ( cf. Matthew 28:4, when He returned to being an
angel again) would be as astonished, IF they knew so, as people would who were
walking with God, the Catholic view of Jesus, IF they knew so.  It is not
surprising that the Apostolic message stressed what could attract Jews to
Christianity instead of what could repel them.  If claiming to be the Messiah can
be blasphemy, how much more can claiming to be God be!  The Gospel of John
shows the Jewish leaders attacked Jesus, not only for breaking the Law, but also
for claiming to be God (John 5:18, 8:58-59, 10:31-33).  The inspired New
Testament writers often quote Old Testament verses that clearly are referring to
God (Yahweh) and state that these verses are referring to Jesus (John 12:41 with
Isaiah 6:1, Romans 10:9-13 with Joel 3:5, Philippians 2:10-11 with Isaiah 45:23,
Hebrews 1:6 with Psalm 97:1,7-9 and Deuteronomy 32:36-43, 1 Peter 2:3-4 with
Psalm 34:9).  If Jesus is the Most High God when He is also a man, then we
would expect Him to have had an unusual entrance into our world, to have  lived
without sin, to have done miracles in our midst, to have known that He is God and
very different from other men, to have spoken the greatest words ever spoken, to
have had a lasting, universal impact on mankind, to have exercised power over
evil (death, disease, demons), and to have satisfied spiritual needs.  This fits the
picture recorded in the four Gospels.

J.W. ARGUMENT # 7:  Once again, early Jewish Christians believed that
only one Person is God, the Father.  This is because Jehovah did not reveal
that Jesus is Jehovah, and the earliest disciples had “the mind of  the
Father” on this matter (First Corinthians 2:16).

A CATHOLIC RESPONSE:  Once again, early Christians believed that the
Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit share a deep, mysterious unity.  The Spirit of
God is the Spirit of Christ (Romans 8:9).  First Corinthians 2:16 states, “‘For who
has known the mind of the Lord that he may instruct him?’  But we have the
mind of Christ.”  In the first part of this verse St. Paul is quoting Isaiah 40:13, and
so George knows that “mind of the Lord” must mean God’s mind.  Since George
believes that God is the Father only, he summarizes this as “the mind of the
Father.” but the Bible nowhere actually uses this phrase.  The original Greek of
this verse is revealing.  Notice the word translated “But.”  St. Paul uses the Greek
word “de” (meaning “But, additionally”), NOT the Greek word “alla” (meaning
“But, by way of strong contrast).  St. Paul does not see any significant difference
between “the mind of Christ” that is within us and “the mind of the Lord” that
was largely unfathomable  in the Old Testament.  Elsewhere, the Corinthians are
told that they possess the Holy Spirit, and that this Spirit “knows” God’s thoughts
(First Corinthians 2:11, 6:19, 7:40).  Unlike St. Paul, Jehovah’s Witnesses are
people who deny that the Spirit is a Person Who knows.  

J.W. ARGUMENT # 8:  Satan did not know that Jesus is Jehovah (which he
wasn’t), and Satan and the demons had encountered Jehovah before they
were expelled from heaven.  They knew Him.  The angels that fathered the
Nephilim (Genesis 6:4) are the same ones that were thrown out of heaven by
Michael and His angels (Revelation 12:7).  Between these Bible book-end
events, the Bible refers to them as “demons.”  How could God be the seed of
the woman that God created (Genesis 3:15)?  Impossible!  The demons knew
Jesus was God’s Son, not God (James 2:19).

A CATHOLIC RESPONSE:  In the Bible, “God” often refers to the Person of the
Father.  In this way the Son of God is the Son of the Person of the Father.  He is
also God the Son, because every son has the same nature as his father.  If the
father is human, then the son is human, and if the Father is Divine, then the Son is
Divine.  This means that if God the Father is eternal and uncreated, then so is God
the Son.  The Son is begotten, but not created.  George asks, “How could God be
the seed of the woman that God created?”  In light of the promise of Isaiah 9:6,
we respond, “Why not?”  

J.W. ARGUMENT # 9:  Satan and the demons knew that God cannot be His
own Son.  Since Satan knew that Jesus was not Jehovah, he could set out to
test Him (Matthew 4:1-11).  He really did test Him.  It would be utter
nonsense for Satan to try to get God to sin.

A CATHOLIC RESPONSE:  It would also be utter nonsense for any creature to
stage an attack on his Creator, but Satan’s pride blinded him to the futility of this
and caused him to lead a large angelic rebellion in the beginning.  He seems to
have known even less about the Incarnation (First Corinthians 2:7-8).  

J.W. ARGUMENT # 10:  According to the biblical book of Job, chapter
one, originally Satan questioned God’s right to rule over mankind and to
decree what is right and wrong (Genesis 3:1-5), and he claimed that he could
turn any mere man away from God (Job 1:9).  He claimed that human
beings serve God only because of what they can get out of Him.  Satan
accused Jehovah of planting a protective hedge around Job, and in effect,
bribing Job to be faithful.  The charge concerns a selfish misuse of God’s
sovereign power.  Proof that God does not bribe anyone but is served
voluntarily by men and women of integrity would vindicate God.  Jehovah
accepted Satan's challenge and removed his protection around Job and
entered into a contest with Satan that would depend, in part, on all human
motivation down through time.  It is about God’s sovereignty and love, and
our integrity to God.  Jehovah’s Witnesses call this “The Universal Issue,”
the vindication of Jehovah's character in the eyes of every rational creature.  
To clear His name, God is obligated to allow the Devil to rule for a time, so
that all may see that God is right and just in His government of the universe,
and that some can serve Him freely and with integrity.  Otherwise, doubts
about Jehovah's goodness might still persist.  Who Jesus was, a perfect man
of integrity, and what He accomplished, a voluntary, corresponding ransom
for us, were the greatest vindications of the justice of God’s character.  Once
known, it would appear to be a sign of weakness on Jehovah’s part, and a
virtual admission of defeat, IF He had somehow “stacked the deck” by
becoming the One Whom Satan tested but could not cause to sin.  Even if
Satan could be hood-winked on this matter, the good angels would have
seen through this charade and known that Satan was the real winner,
because his original charge had proven to be correct.  Rather, Satan tested
Jesus, a mere man, and Jesus gave the strongest proof of Jehovah’s
righteousness.  The issue due to be settled has to do with whether we will
trust God— no matter what.  God trusting God makes no sense.  “The
Universal Issue” was already a spiritual focus in the Garden of Eden.  Satan
told Adam that Jehovah is a liar, and that Adam was much better off to
decide what is good and bad by himself, without God (Genesis 3:1-14).  
Jesus was like Adam, except for sin.  God cannot choose to be without God,
but both Adam and Jesus could so choose, and Adam unfortunately did.

A CATHOLIC RESPONSE:  In a strict sense, God does not “decide” what is
good and what is bad.  Certain actions are necessarily good or bad only because
God is Who He is.  God’s righteous nature determines what is good and what is
bad.  Who is lying about the other, God or Satan?  And who says that the issue
has not yet been settled for all rational creatures of good will?  It is already
obvious to millions of us that Satan failed with Job.  But pride can blind the most
intelligent of creatures.  Only Satan’s boastful pride keeps him and his minions
deluded about the sure outcome of this matter.  When Satan first fell from
Yahweh’s approval, he quite knowingly attacked God Himself.  Any creature
foolish enough to do this, that is, to attack God as God, might almost irresistibly
attack God as man, as occurred when Jesus was tempted in the desert.  True, it
was impossible to cause Jesus Christ to sin.  He has a human free will, and so He
COULD have sinned IF He had wanted to sin, but He could NOT have
WANTED to do so, because He is God.  If this looks like Yahweh was somehow
stacking the deck against Satan, it must be clearly admitted that even a Jehovah’s
Witnesses’ Jesus in this situation would have been stronger than Satan, because a
mere man “full of” God’s Spirit (Luke 4:1) and bearing all of God’s authority
(John 3:34-35) would still be stronger than Satan (First John 4:4).  How much
more would the highest angel (Jesus as Michael) be stronger than a lower one
(Satan)!  According to Jehovah’s Witnesses, Jesus pre-existed as the highest angel,
then became only a man full of God’s Spirit and bearing God’s authority, then
ceased to exist for a few days at death, and finally “rose again” to return to being
the highest angel.  At no time was Satan stronger than Jesus, even according the
belief system of Jehovah’s Witnesses.  The main practical difference between the
Catholic view and the Witnesses’ view concerns the ability of Jesus to WANT to
sin.  Witnesses claim He could while Catholics claim He could not.  Since neither
position makes God unjust or unloving toward anyone, neither one is necessary to
vindicate Yahweh’s righteous and loving character as the Sovereign of the
universe, or to prove the moral integrity of Jesus’ voluntary, sacrificial actions.  

J.W. ARGUMENT # 11:  God cannot die.  He cannot offer His life to
Himself.  Jesus is the pure sacrifice offered to God.  Only a mere man Jesus,
a perfect man, can give his life as a “corresponding ransom” for the life of
another mere man Adam, a sinful man.  The death of a God-man would
provide an infinite ransom when only a finite one is required.  This would be
all out of proportion to the need, yet “exact correspondence” is part of the
clear meaning of “anti-lutron,” a Greek word used in the New Testament
writings to describe Christ’s death as a ransom for mankind’s sins.  Jehovah
cannot be a “corresponding ransom” for Adam (First Timothy 2:5-6), unless
Adam was really equal to God.  We recall that this equality was Adam’s own
grand, Satan-inspired self-illusion!

A CATHOLIC RESPONSE:  The death of a man is the separation of his body
from his soul, not the extinction of his person.  Since Jesus joined the Father and
the Spirit in raising His body from the dead (John 2:19-22), Jesus did not cease to
exist when He died.  As God, He could not die, but as man He could.  If Jesus
were only God and not also man, George, despite the appearance of Deuteronomy
15:15 in its Septuagint rendering, might make a strong point, but Jesus is both God
and man at the same time.  If Jesus were only a man, He could have died for only
one man, but He did so for every man (Hebrews 2:9).  While it is true one person
cannot give up his life as an offering to himself, one Divine Person can give up His
human life as an offering to another Divine Person.  George stresses Christ’s
atoning ransom as a “corresponding” one, that is, as an exact, no-more-no-less
compensation to God for the sin of Adam.  Would it really offend God’s justice
for a God-man to provide the “ransom for all”?  Not if we can judge from the Old
Testament Law.  In Leviticus 6:2 Yahweh required through Moses that a deceiver
compensate his victims by returning what he had taken by fraud plus twenty
percent.  God sets a no-less requirement for compensations but not a no-more
requirement.  Zacchaeus proposed to compensate his own victims by returning
what he had taken by fraud plus three hundred percent, not twenty percent, and
Jesus seemed very pleased with the idea (Luke 19:8).  Does “anti-lutron” require a
meaning of an exact, no-more-no-less compensation?   For any word, context is
still the most important determinant of meaning.  What any lexicon indicates is
"the basic meaning" of a word is really a scholarly generalization, an induction
from all the known existing contexts in which the word appears.  Often, when it
comes to an ancient word, the number of known contexts in which it appears is
less than ideal for possessing the highest degree of scholarly certainty in knowing
its "basic meaning."  How often does “anti-lutron” appear in the extant Koine
Greek of the New Testament era?  Few words have only one meaning, and
etymological analysis can lead us a bit astray.  I am thinking of the Latin scholar
who first heard of the bicycle very soon after it was invented and assumed that it
consisted of only two wheels.  Yes, a bicycle has two wheels, as the basic
meaning of its name suggests, but there is always more to an actual bicycle than
two wheels.  Based upon the same sort of false reasoning about the biblical use of
the word “stauros,” Jehovah's Witnesses conclude, with guidance from their
governing body, that Jesus died on a stake without a cross-beam.  Similarly, one
must be very careful about using an etymological analysis of “anti-lutron” to rule
out a greater compensation than was strictly required in Christ's actual ransom,
even though it is true that the compensation of every “anti-lutron” always meets
the requirements of justice in the eyes of those who accept the compensation.  I
doubt if the Greek word can be proven to mean anything more than that.  One can
argue that a focus on legal aspects of the atonement was missing among Christians
until the Middle Ages.  Because the corresponding ransom theory of the
atonement is built upon this medieval and largely Western tradition, it seems to
have been missing until Charles Taze Russell in modern times.  Was the modern-
day founder of what became Jehovah’s Witnesses led to this conclusion by the
teachings of the Bible alone?  If so, why was Russell the first one to discover it in
the Bible?  Perhaps he was led to this by the New Testament alone, a set of first-
century documents, but his manner of relating verse to verse, the networking and
configuration pattern of the biblical data he assembled for it, was no doubt
nineteenth-century, not first-century, in origin and form.  To put it another way,
there was an historical order in which Christians tackled theological issues down
through the centuries since the days of the Apostles, and the conclusion of one
issue often became the presupposition in dealing with the next one.  The orthodox
doctrines of the Trinity and of Christ as the God-man were in place before
Christian theology focused on legal aspects of the atonement.  It seems that Pastor
Russell had different views about Christ and death in place before he concentrated
on the atonement.  Perhaps he had come to the point of believing that no one
before him had done it right.  It could be that this was an influence of the common
nineteenth-century Adventist doctrine that the prophesied "Great Apostasy" was
already underway.  From a Catholic or Eastern Orthodox perspective, however,
Russell boldly set out to re-invent the wheel, with the conviction that our wheels
are really not round at all.  While the actual Adam in the Garden included the
potential for all mankind to exist and the potential for all their sins to exist, a
ransom for Adam AND all his actual descendants would be a ransom for more
than Adam, simply because each one of Adam's descendants have added their
own actual sins to that of Adam.  Adam and more (equal to the "all" in First
Timothy 2:5-6) MUST NECESSARILY BE more than Adam, no matter how
many mental gymnastics one tries to use in order to get around it, and more than
Adam cannot equal Adam alone.  If Jesus were merely a man, he could substitute
his life for the life of only one other man.  Since millions of actual men were
actually living at the time of Christ's death on the cross, His life was equal to
millions of Adams, and therefore, His life at that time could not have been that of
a mere man.
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In late 1987 and early 1988, half way around the world, as a thirty
five year old man living in Rome, I had the distinct pleasure of
interacting with a very intelligent, English-speaking Jehovah's
Witness.  He would visit me and try to convert me.  Mr. George
Ellis was a true gentleman and a scholar, a retired, lower-level
executive with Firestone Corporation, European branch, and an
elder in one of the Kingdom Hall congregations in Rome, Italy.  
He firmly believed that Jesus and the Holy Spirit are not God.  
Despite his great abilities, he failed to prove his case.  Over the
years he had carefully crafted his criticisms in the heart of one of
the most important Roman Catholic countries.  I asked him to
compile all his reasoning against the truth of the Catholic Dogma
of the Holy Trinity.  His arguments are listed below.  I have
stylized them, but they faithfully represent the substance of the
thoughts of George Ellis himself.  Please note that my response is
"A" Catholic response, not THE only one that may be given
within the boundaries of Catholic teaching and sound reasoning.    
sacrifice to Himself.  Jehovah sent Jesus (Galatians 4:4), Who came willingly,
but could have chosen to say, “No,” instead (John 5:30).  Jesus is the chief
divine messenger, which is the meaning of the word, “angel.”  In the book of
Revelation, Michael conquers Satan and His demons.  Because Jesus is
Michael, the only archangel, He has the keys to the abyss into which the
demons shall one day be cast (Revelation 20:1-3), just as He, as the Messiah,
has the key of David (Revelation 3:7).  Like other angels, Jesus is pictured as a
star (Revelation 9:1).  He is rightly called “the bright, morning star”
(Revelation 22:16).  The demons are fallen angels who are called “unclean
spirits” (Mark 1:23-27).  They know certain things.  They know Jesus is the
Son of God, not God (James 2:19).  They once feared that He came to earth to
prematurely destroy them (Ephesians 6:12), before the future appointed time.  
This greatly bothered them during His ministry (Matthew 8:29), because they
did not want Him to send them into the abyss before the appointed time (Luke
8:31).

A CATHOLIC RESPONSE:  Once again, while it is true one person cannot give up
his life as an offering to himself, one Divine Person can give up His human life as an
offering to another Divine Person.  Also, again, Jesus COULD have said “No” to
the Father’s Plan, IF He had wanted to do so, but He could NOT have WANTED
to do so, because, since all Three Persons are one God  in total harmony, the Father’
s eternal Plan is also the Son’s and the Holy Spirit’s eternal Plan.  While Catholics
can agree with much of the teaching of Jehovah’s Witnesses about angels and
demons, we must disagree strongly with their identification of Jesus with Michael.  
All agree that Jesus is a Being higher than Lucifer, but Michael’s rebuke of Satan by
means of “the Lord” implies that Lucifer was created a higher being than Michael is
(Jude 9).  Michael could not rebuke the Devil, but Jesus can.  Even on earth, Jesus
declared, “Get behind me, Satan.”  Jude’s favorite word for Jesus is “Lord” (Jude
4,9,14,17,21,25), so Jesus seems to be the “Lord” Whom Michael relies upon for a
rebuke of Satan.  It also seems that Jude inserted “Lord” (“kurios”) into the original
Greek of the quotation from First Enoch 1:9 in order to refer to Jesus Christ as the
judge at the Parousia of the evil slaves He purchased but who denied Him by their
actions (Jude 4 with Second Peter 2:1).  Jesus, the One who controls evil angels for
judgment (Jude 6) can also rebuke them, including Satan (Jude 9;  cf. Mark 8:33).  
Jude likely read First Enoch 20, which mentions “archangels” in the plural, and so
the Greek article in “Michael the archangel” (Jude 9) most likely indicates which
Michael is meant, not that he is the only archangel.  The links that George finds
between Jesus and other angels in the book of Revelation fall short of proof that
Jesus is the highest created angel.  The angel in Revelation 20:1-3 is unnamed.  It
could be Gabriel or another angel besides Michael.  Jesus is not a star that falls to
earth (Revelation 9:1), but HAS the stars (Revelation 1:16).  Since Jesus GIVES the
bright, morning star to those who overcome (Revelation 2:28), He is not that star
(Revelation 22:16).  According to Hebrews 1:13-14, the King on David’s throne is
not an angel.  The Bible twice mentions “the King of kings and Lord of Lords.”  
There can be only one such King, yet Jesus has this Name in Revelation 19:16,
while Yahweh has this Name in First Timothy 6:15.  Therefore, Jesus is Yahweh (if
A=C, and B=C, then A=C).  Jesus is present with the New Israel like Yahweh was
present with the Old Israel, because Yahweh dwelt in the Tabernacle and then in the
Temple just as Jesus dwelt among us in His human flesh and blood, as His
tabernacle and temple (John 1:14, 2:19-21).

J.W. ARGUMENT #13:  Although the existence of demons shows that a spirit
can have a personality, we do not ever read in the Bible that the Father or the
Son addressed the Holy Spirit as a Person within the Godhead.  The Holy
Spirit is not God or a person less than God.  Rather, the Spirit is Jehovah’s
power (Romans 15:13,19, Revelation 17:3), that is, His active force (the KJV
calls the Spirit “virtue”), a force that can imbue human beings with a certain
degree of the fullness of God’s control.

A CATHOLIC RESPONSE:  If “power of the Holy Spirit” in Romans 15:13,19 and
Acts 8:39 can reasonably equate “holy spirit” with God’s power, then “Spirit of
Yahweh” in Second Corinthians 3:17 can just as reasonably equate the Spirit with
Yahweh.  (“The power of” is not in the Greek of Revelation 17:3.)  There is some
evidence to suggest that “Spirit” in the Old Testament usually IS God’s power (Job
27:3, Isaiah 11:2), while in the New Testament, Spirit usually means a Divine
Person who is all-powerful, the One Who HAS God’s power (cf. Mark 5:2) or IS
ASSOCIATED WITH God’s power (Acts 10:38), although sometimes the word
indicates the Spirit’s Divine influences controlling someone.  In the New Testament,
the Holy Spirit knows (First Corinthians 2:10-11), has a mind (the Greek of Romans
8:27 vs. NWT), teaches (John 14:26, First Corinthians 2:13), can be grieved
(Ephesians 4:30  cf. Isaiah 63:10), has a will (Acts 16:7, First Corinthians 12:11),
testifies (John 15:26, Romans 8:16, First Peter 1:11), guides (Acts 8:39, Romans 8:
14), convinces (John 16:7-8), commands (Acts 10:13-19, 13:2), and pleads for us in
prayer (Romans 8:26).  The Holy Spirit can be lied to (Acts 5:3-4), blasphemed
(Matthew 12:31), insulted (Hebrews 10:29), can reach a good decision (Acts 15:28),
and shares the Divine Name with the Father and the Son (Matthew 28:19).  The
Holy Spirit is clearly more than God’s active force.  If a person can be full of
demons as conscious, spirit beings (Mark 5:8-9), why can a person not be “full of
the Holy Spirit” as an all-knowing, all-powerful Divine Person (Luke 11:24-26)?
For the Holy Spirit to be Yahweh, it is not logically necessary for the Father or the
Son to say so expressly in the Bible.  It is only necessary for at least one verse of the
Bible, God’s Word, to present the equation of the Spirit with Yahweh.  Even if we
eliminate five verses in John as personifications of God’s active force (John 14:16,
15:26, 16:13,14,15), which is unlikely, we have at least four clear verses (Acts 5:3-
4, Second Corinthians 3:17, Matthew 28:19).  The same can be said about Jesus.  
We have at least five clear verses from Peter, Paul, and John (John 12:41, John 12:
42, John 20:28, Hebrews 1:6, Hebrews 1:10, First Peter2:3, First Peter 2:4),
especially because of the way these inspired New Testament writers used the Old
Testament writings.  Many verses that refer to “Yahweh” in the Old Testament are
applied to Jesus in the New Testament.  The Holy Spirit addresses the Son as God
in John 12:41-42 and in First Peter 2:3-4 by implying that Jesus is “Yahweh” of the
Old Testament.  The Father addresses the Son as God in Hebrews 1:6 (in which
“him” refers to “Yahweh” in the Old Testament) and 1:10 (in which“you” refers to
“Yahweh” in the Old Testament).  Since the Holy Spirit worked miracles through
Peter in the book of Acts, that same Spirit declared Himself to be God through Peter’
s mouth (Acts 5:3-4).  The Risen Christ taught with His full power that the Father,
the Son, and the Spirit share the same Divine Name (Matthew 28:19-20).  The
teachings of the Son are also the teachings of the Father (John 5:19,30).

J.W. ARGUMENT #14:  What belongs to God is not God.  The Spirit belongs
to Jehovah (Acts 2:33, 8:39).  The Spirit was used in creation (Psalm 104:30,
Genesis 1:2), and to bring Israel out of bondage in Egypt (Numbers 14:13).

A CATHOLIC RESPONSE:  The Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit, three Divine
Persons, belong to each other as one God.  As the One True God, all three Divine
Persons took part in creation and Israel’s exodus.  

J.W. ARGUMENT #15:  God is not separated from God.  Yet Jesus received
the Spirit (Luke 3:22, 4:1, 10:21, 11:13, John 14:26).  At certain times the
Spirit went out from Him (Mark 5:30, Luke 6:19, 8:46), and He used the Spirit
for healing (Luke 5:17).

A CATHOLIC RESPONSE:  Even Jehovah’s Witnesses believe that God’s active
force is everywhere in creation.  So they agree with us that the Holy Spirit is never
really separate from any creature in God’s creation.  “Receiving the Holy Spirit”
means that a person shows remarkable signs of God’s influence present in his or her
life.  The Holy Spirit, a Divine Person, causes certain effects, chiefly Divine
influences on a human being.  “The Spirit going out” of a person means that the
Holy Spirit clearly present within one person has visibly influenced the healing of
another person.

J.W. ARGUMENT #16:  The Apostles also received the Spirit (Acts 2:3), and it
gave them power (Second Timothy 4:17).  They passed on the Spirit (Acts 10:
44, 8:17, 9:17), which a magician tried to buy, but could not (Acts 8:18-20).

A CATHOLIC RESPONSE:  When George claims that “it [the Spirit] gave them
[the Apostles] power,” his words seem to betray him a bit.  It sure looks like he is
unintentionally admitting that the Spirit is not exactly the same as the power that “it”
gave.  Many of the verses that George mentions above (Numbers 14:13, Mark 5:30,
Luke 5:17, 6:19, 8:46, 9:1, and Second Timothy 4:17) do not, in the original
language, mention “holy spirit” at all, but only “power.”  Simon the Magician tried to
buy the Holy Spirit’s power manifested through the Apostolic laying-on of hands,
not the Holy Spirit as such.  In effect, he tried to buy the Apostolic office, a deed
that gave rise to the word, “simony.”

J.W. ARGUMENT #17:  The Son of God is to God what Isaac was to
Abraham.  Both Isaac (Hebrews 11:17-18) and Jesus as an angel, who was
called “the Logos” before He was sent to become only a man (First John 4:9),
were “monogeneis,” which is often translated “only-begotten” but means “one
of a kind.”   Every father is older than his son and exists before him, and the
same is true of Jesus.  Since there were other angels (called “sons of God”),
Jesus as “the Logos” was the unique Son of God because He is the only angel
whom God Himself created directly without the agency or cooperation of any
creature.  He is the only one whom God his Father used in bringing into
existence all the other creatures.  He is “the firstborn” and chief one among all
other angels.

A CATHOLIC RESPONSE:  God is unique.  God the Father is the only eternal
Father, while all other fathers are created.  Therefore, the Son of God is unique.  
God the Son is eternally begotten, not created or made.  Created fathers have
created sons younger than they are, but an eternal Father has an eternal Son as old
as He is, that is, existing from everlasting to everlasting.  What an eternal Father and
a created father share in common, though, is that both generate a person who has
the very same nature as themselves.  Because Witnesses imagine Jehovah to be an
eternal, angel-like Being Who is not present everywhere and does not know
everything about the future, they see no awesome  difference between God and the
highest angel, except that “the Logos” was created directly by God alone.  Their
God is too small and lacking the mystery of the Catholic God.

J.W. ARGUMENT #18:  The Bible does not restrict “god” to Jehovah alone
(John 1:1), and the biblical usage of “gods” for unjust human judges is meant
to be taken at face value (John 10:30-36).  As representatives of the Most
High, these judges were rightly called “gods” (Psalm 82:6).  To the degree
judges fail to mete out justice according to God’s holy standards, to that
degree they fail to be “one with” Him in His purposes.  This biblical usage of
the Greek word, “theos,” in John’s Gospel, allows Jesus to be a created god
separate from the one and only uncreated God, Jehovah, the Most High.  
Jesus succeeded where these judges of Israel failed.  They were meant to
shepherd God’s people, but only Jesus is “the Good Shepherd” (John 10:8-
18).  Though a separate being from Jehovah, Jesus was always “one with”
Jehovah in His righteous purposes (John 10:30).

A CATHOLIC RESPONSE:  While it is true that the Old Testament uses the
Hebrew expression "gods" (or "as gods") to refer to various different kinds of human
and angelic authorities (e.g. Exodus 4:16), Jesus is clearly presented as God in a very
different and higher sense.  For example, several times in John's Gospel (John 8:58,
John 18:5-6), Jesus refers to Himself as "I AM" --that is, the very Name of God (see
Exodus 3:14).  Here the guards fall to the ground (struck by His Divine power)
when He says "I AM" in John 18:5-6.  Also, in John 8:58-59, the Jews are clearly
scandalized when Jesus says "I AM," and they pick up stones to kill Him.  Indeed,
Jesus could not have validly referred to Himself as "I AM" unless He is One in
Being with the Father in a way not true of "lesser god."  For the Name "I AM"
("Yahweh" in Hebrew, the Name mistakenly rendered as "Jehovah" by translators
who were ignorant of Hebrew tradition) refers to God as the essential and
fundamental Being, upon Whom everything else in existence depends for  its
existence --the Creator of all.  And this, of course, is also the role assigned to Jesus
in John 1:3.  Psalm 82 is inspired and was written by Asaph.  Because the “gods”
are condemned with divine authority in verse seven, it is God Who is also speaking
through Asaph in verse six, “I [God through Asaph] called you gods.”  In this
passage, to be “gods” (v.6a) is also to be “sons of the Most High” (v.6b).  In John’s
Gospel, chapter 10, Jesus has just been accused of blasphemy by the Jewish
leaders.  First He meets this serious charge by getting His enemies to admit that His
works are not works of blasphemy (John 10:32-33).  Then, using Psalm 82, He
argues that His words are not words of blasphemy.  Just as Jesus had argued
elsewhere that He as the greater David, and his companions, could not rightly be
accused of breaking God’s Law by eating grain on the Sabbath day, because the
lesser David, and his companions, did something very similar without blame (Mark 2:
23-28), so here He argues that He, the greater Son of God, cannot be accused of
saying words of blasphemy when He claimed oneness with Yahweh as “ the” Son of
God (John 10:30, , because lesser “sons of the Most High” are called “gods” by no
less than God Most High Himself, and God’s Word in the Holy Scriptures is
infallibly true.  Jehovah’s Witnesses wrongly assume that Jesus is merely putting
Himself on the same level as the “gods” mentioned by Asaph, but He is really using
a form of rabbinic argument called “from the lesser to the greater: if that, how much
more this.”  Indeed, Jesus is playing a very crafty rabbinical game with these Jews
by showing that He, a Jew under the Law, is not breaking the letter of the Law by
making Himself equal with God.  Here He continues to use the term "I AM" (John
10:36,38), almost as if He is playfully taunting these Jews, or, more likely,
reaffirming the Christian faith of "those with ears to hear" --that is, the intended
audience of John's Gospel.  In Psalm 82, if these “gods,” “sons of the Most High,”
are angels, then Jesus, the only-begotten Son, is greater than any angel (cf.
Hebrews, chapter one).  If these “gods,” “sons of the Most High,” are merely unjust
human judges, then Jesus, the Good Shepherd, is greater than any human judge, as
One on the level with the Father (John 5:22-23).  When we look at Revelation 22:8-
9, St. John is told by an angel that he (John) is not to fall down and worship him,
because he, the angel, is merely John's "fellow servant."  However, in the same
Book of Revelation, we see the twenty-four heavenly presbyters constantly falling
down and worshipping the Lamb, Who is  Jesus Christ (Revelation 5:8)—AND  
they give this same type of worship to "the One Who sits on the Throne," Who is
God the Father (Revelation 4:10-11).  Catholics, Eastern Orthodox, and most
Protestants worship the Son just as they worship the Father (John 5:23), while
Jehovah’s Witnesses do not.         

J.W. ARGUMENT #19:  Anthropomorphisms can be used of the Spirit when
“spirit” does not refer to a real persons.

A CATHOLIC RESPONSE:  While objects and other non-persons can be
personified, John is likely not personifying God’s active force as the Paraclete in
John 14:16, 15:26, and 16:13-15.  In First John 2:1, one other Paraclete is
mentioned in John’s writings, and this One is clearly a Divine Person, Jesus Christ,
not a personification.  One Paraclete, Jesus, a Divine Person, sends another
Paraclete, the Holy Spirit, also a Divine Person.

J.W. ARGUMENT #20:  The Son’s oneness with the Father was just like
("even as") the oneness of believers with the Father and the Son, and
Christian believers are separate beings from each other and from God.

A CATHOLIC RESPONSE:  Christ’s humanity is forever united to His divinity, and
so the Son will never cease to be human.  Faithful Christians will be united with God
for all eternity, yet never cease to be human.  They will be one with the Father “just
as” the Son as man is (John 17:11, 21-23), NOT one with the Father just as the Son
as God is.  If “even as” in John 17:11 can reasonably equate the oneness of
believers with the oneness of the Father and the Son, then “even as” in John 5:23
can just as reasonably equate the worship and honor of the Son with the worship
and honor of the Father.    

J.W. ARGUMENT #21:  Trinitarianism as an orthodox theological concept is
esoteric, and therefore not important even if it is true, too complicated for the
uneducated masses to follow, variously interpreted by its competing
advocates, post-biblical in its development, and evolved over hundreds of
years.

A CATHOLIC RESPONSE:  Would anyone say that modern medical science is
untrue and unimportant because the technical knowledge of doctors seems hidden
and confusing to the average person, or because doctors disagree with one another
on some aspects of this science, or because this accurate human knowledge of the
human body was not attained all at once but took more than a few centuries?  It is
largely common sense to realize that God might very well be harder to understand
and to describe accurately than the awesome human body that He designed and
brought into existence.

Who God is and What God is are so central to God’s true religion and the welfare of
His true people, that no doctrine’s development would have been more protected by
Him than these two!  Only the orthodox doctrine of the Trinity does justice to every
verse of every biblical book.  This solution took hundreds of Church leaders
hundreds of years to accomplish.  This was because of two factors.  Not only does
Who God is and What God is touch on the interpretation of almost every verse of
the Bible, but also this major task could not be completed until the exact extant of
the New Testament canon of books was known.  Canonization, too easily ignored
by Jehovah’s Witnesses, was a drawn-out, post-Apostolic process taking a few
hundred years to complete.

How can a Catholic present his beliefs about the deep, mysterious unity of God,
Jesus, and the Holy Spirit in the best way for a Jehovah’s Witness to appreciate?  I
suggest that he declare:

There is only one true God, but the one true God is not the only reality. Only
God has always existed.  Everything else, whether it is spirit or matter, God has
created out of nothing. Creatures will exist forever, but God is the only Spirit
from eternity (John 4:24).  Besides God and whatever God has created out of
nothing, there is nothing else.  All creation comes forth from the Heavenly
Father (Genesis 1:1) —and from His Son (John 1:3, Hebrews 1:2) and from His
Holy Spirit (Genesis 1:2, Psalm 104:30) in some way.  Whatever exists,
including the Son and the Holy Spirit, comes forth in some way from the
Father.  The Son and the Holy Spirit, however, were not created out of nothing.  
They exist from all eternity; the Father is causing the Son and the Spirit to share
His eternal Being.  The Son is distinct from the Holy Spirit, and vice versa.  As
long as the Son is the Son and the Holy Spirit is the Holy Spirit, they are distinct
from the Father (John 1:1, 14:17-23).  The Holy Spirit is ever distinct—but
never separate—from the Father and the Son.  There is only one true God.  The
Father is ‘the only true God’ (John 17:3), but the Father ONLY is NOT ‘the only
true God.’  Because of the Father, it is ALSO true that the Son (First John 5:
20), and the Holy Spirit (Acts 5:3-4) are ALSO ‘the only true God.’  Jesus
expected His followers to honor Him ‘just as’ they honor the Father (John 5:
23).  Because there is only one true God, degrees of divinity within God’s Being
are excluded.  The Son’s activities reveal Who and What He is.  The Son is like
the Father (John 5:19-20).  As long as the Son is the Son, He is like the Father.  
How much is the Son like the Father?  The Son is PERFECTLY like the Father
(Hebrews 1:3), and so He is ‘equal to the Father’ (John 5:18), except the Father
has never been begotten or human (John 1:18).  Because St. Paul teaches that
Jesus will be a ‘man’ when the Last Judgment takes place (Acts 17:31), it seems
that the One Who often called Himself ‘the Son of Man’ (John 5:27) never laid
aside His humanity, not even in the death He suffered as a ransom for sinners.  
The human life He voluntarily laid down He chose to take back (John 10:18).  
‘The man Christ Jesus’ ‘is’ the Mediator Who ‘ransom’-ed ‘all’ (First Timothy 2:
5).  The theological idea that only a mere human being who is not a sinner can
ransom other mere humans who are sinners is by no means biblically certain
(Jeremiah 31:11, 31-34).  The Father shares everything He possesses with the
Son.  Because the Son is the perfect expression of Who and What the Father is,
He is called ‘the Word’ in His pre-existence (John 1:1-3).  ‘The Word’ became
human flesh and shares the Father’s glory (John 1:14).  ‘The Word’ is begotten
long before He takes on human flesh and spirit in the womb of the Blessed
Virgin Mary.  At the beginning of everything that came into existence out of
nothing, ‘the Word’ already ‘was’ (John 1:3).  Because ‘the Word’ is said to
have been ‘with God’ before He is identified as ‘God’ (John 1:1-2), already in
the beginning, at the moment when creation and time began, ‘the Word’ existed
as ‘true God from true God.’  For as long as the Son exists, He is the only
begotten Son of the eternal Father.  As Jesus Christ boldly announced to His
enemies, ‘Before Abraham was, I AM’ (John 8:58).  The Son is like the Father
in all things (John 14:8-11), but the Father is not like Him in all things, because
the Father never existed as a human being, unlike the Son.  ‘The Word’ never
existed as ONLY human ‘flesh.’  The Son has always been the Spirit Who is
God, but never the Person of the Holy Spirit.  As long as the Son is divine, He is
in many ways equal to the Father.  So Jesus was speaking the honest truth when
He taught that ‘I and the Father are one’ (John 10:30).  The Risen Christ’s
human spirit has become a life-giving one (First Corinthians 15:45).  Because
the Son’s spirit is now glorified and under the Holy Spirit’s control (John 7:38-
39, First Corinthians 15:44), His humanity serves to channel His divine Life to
others.  The Son is the invisible Life-Giving Spirit Who is God—as are the
Father and the Holy Spirit also (John 1:12-13, 3:6-8).  The only true God is the
only Spirit able to give life to human spirits and human bodies, now and forever
(John 4:24, 5:25-29, Romans 8:11).  Humanity is always subordinate to divinity
(First Corinthians 11:3).  As long as the Son is human, He can in some true way
be said to be subordinate to the Father.  So Jesus was speaking the honest truth
when He taught that ‘My Father is greater than I’ (John 14:28).  If the Son is
human for all eternity, it can be readily explained why our Lord Jesus Christ has
been revealed to be subordinate to the Father for all eternity (First Corinthians
15:28).  Even if Christ’s humanity were forever united to His divinity, it would
not cease to be human.  Faithful Christians will be united with God for all
eternity, yet never cease to be human.  They will be one with God ‘just as’ the
Son’s humanity is (John 17:11, 21-23).  At the pinnacle of the created order,
there can be only one true Sovereign.  Jesus is the ‘only’ Sovereign (Jude 4)—yet
so is the Father (Acts 4:24, Second Peter 2:1-4).  So this Sovereign Lord is not
one Person (Matthew 10:25, First Corinthians 8:6, Acts 4:24, 29).  The Lord
above all others is revealed to be the Father (First Timothy 6:15), and the Son
(Revelation 19:16, Philippians 2:9-11), and the Holy Spirit (Second Corinthians
3:17).  Baptism is the Christian’s oath of allegiance to the Sovereign Lord of the
universe. By means of this rite, we have consecrated ourselves to the Father, the
Son, and the Holy Spirit (Matthew 28:19). Since the Father and the Son share
the Divine Name with the Spirit, it is natural to understand all three as being
Persons Who are ‘the only true God.
’”  THE END.